Don't Vote! no wait, DO VOTE! ;)

[Phillyman]

[Alien7]

That video is awesome!

[meppi]

Indeed.

I'd keep this on the front page till the election. It might do some good.

[Phillyman]

Indeed.

I'd keep this on the front page till the election. It might do some good.

You read my mind!

[meppi]

You read my mind!

Quick, someone ask me the winning lottery numbers while I'm on a role.

Guess this sleep depravation thing I get every time I have the early shift does have some positive effects after all.

[E-Day]

Do do you need to register to vote in the US for every election? In Canada, we don't have to worry about that. We get voter cards saying we are registered. If we don't get one, we can show up on election day with ID (at least one with a photo), showing that you are who you claim to be and that you live in that riding and they register you on the spot. Plus we can update our address every year on our tax form.

Putting down people who don't vote is good. They deserve it

[dakonishi]

Don't you know that oboma and mckain are owned by the international bankers? The same agenda will push through no matter who is elected. The only hope is to vote in local elections or run for political office yourself on a take back the federal reserve platform.

[meppi]

With that train of thought nothing will ever improve.

It doesn't matter much where you live in this day and age, if we actually open our eyes we know that we are turning everything into shit and at an alarming pace.

[E-Day]

Don't you know that oboma and mckain are owned by the international bankers? The same agenda will push through no matter who is elected. The only hope is to vote in local elections or run for political office yourself on a take back the federal reserve platform.

But if you run for political office, then you will be owned by international bankers. Then what are you going to do? You'll push the same agenda as well, according to you.

If you don't like the two main candidates, then vote for an independent.

[kbf_private_joker]

Don't you know that oboma and mckain are owned by the international bankers? The same agenda will push through no matter who is elected. The only hope is to vote in local elections or run for political office yourself on a take back the federal reserve platform.

By the way it is "Obama and McCain" and not "oboma and mckain" unless there is some hidden reference that completely went over my head. And yes, a lot of their policies will be the same. The reason for that is because they need to appeal to a broad base and not the fringe. The fringe might be right, but it is majority wins.

[JoNJoN]

The fringe might be right, but it is majority wins.

Not quite, the majority has been over ruled numerous times in the past few years by the courts. And as far as elections going for the president, its not the majority of votes that wins, its the majority of electoral votes.

[E-Day]

Not quite, the majority has been over ruled numerous times in the past few years by the courts. And as far as elections going for the president, its not the majority of votes that wins, its the majority of electoral votes.

Can you explain exactly how it works in the US? I have found it a bit confusing when they talk about it on TV. Regular votes, college votes (or something); I don't get it.

In Canada, it's first-past-the-post. The country is dived into ridings (308 of them) and political parties run candidates in those ridings. People vote for the candidate in their riding. The candidate who wins gets one of the 308 seats in the parliament. The party who wins the most seats forms the government.

[kbf_private_joker]

Not quite, the majority has been over ruled numerous times in the past few years by the courts. And as far as elections going for the president, its not the majority of votes that wins, its the majority of electoral votes.

This is true. Not quite sure how I feel about the electoral college, but my point was more about the moderate viewpoint is usually the one that wins out because most people agree with it. Both candidates like to describe their differences, but I doubt much will change if either one of them gets elected. Fringe viewpoints only appeal to a fraction of the population, which is why a fringe candidate (Green, Libertarian, etc) will never be elected.

[JoNJoN]

This is true. Not quite sure how I feel about the electoral college, but my point was more about the moderate viewpoint is usually the one that wins out because most people agree with it. Both candidates like to describe their differences, but I doubt much will change if either one of them gets elected. Fringe viewpoints only appeal to a fraction of the population, which is why a fringe candidate (Green, Libertarian, etc) will never be elected.

The electoral college is a mixed bag for me. Yes it archaic but only because its been around so long and yes its has its problems but as far as the main reason it was implemented, it still succeeds at doing what it was meant to do today. If the election was ever to become strictly based on total vote count, as it stands right now that would mean that someone could get elected by receiving votes from 10 or less cities in the whole country.

[E-Day]

Between Green and Libertarian, I would pick Libertarian 120 times out of 100. The smaller the government and less intrusive it is in your life, the better

[kbf_private_joker]

Between Green and Libertarian, I would pick Libertarian 120 times out of 100. The smaller the government and less intrusive it is in your life, the better

I would have to agree with you. How come you are living up in Canada and not in the states?

[dakonishi]

But if you run for political office, then you will be owned by international bankers. Then what are you going to do? You'll push the same agenda as well, according to you.

If you don't like the two main candidates, then vote for an independent.

If you run for office its likely you will not have financial backing from the world banks like obaombmaa & mackaaine, hence the world banks agenda gets ejaculated through the prosthetic phallus that is the afore mentioned candidates. Unless you know what the world banks are, I suggest you keep your mouth shut mate.

[kbf_private_joker]

If you run for office its likely you will not have financial backing from the world banks like obaombmaa & mackaaine, hence the world banks agenda gets ejaculated through the prosthetic phallus that is the afore mentioned candidates. Unless you know what the world banks are, I suggest you keep your mouth shut mate.

Since I am no expert on the world banks, is it true that most political leaders are backed by the world banks? If so, isn't it kinda pointless to get upset about something that will never change?

Also, I would be interested in seeing some credible articles on ties between the election candidates and the world banks.

[E-Day]

I would have to agree with you. How come you are living up in Canada and not in the states?

Because this is where I was born, and it's a pretty good place to live. Plus, you guys don't exactly have small government in the US. But if the New Democratic Party ever gets into power federally, I will probably leave Canada and claim political exile since they are way too socialist for anyone's good

If you run for office its likely you will not have financial backing from the world banks like obaombmaa & mackaaine, hence the world banks agenda gets ejaculated through the prosthetic phallus that is the afore mentioned candidates. Unless you know what the world banks are, I suggest you keep your mouth shut mate.

And I suggest you watch how you speak to people here, MATE. And show some evidence of what you are saying apart from you saying that that's how it is. Documented evidence; not you giving examples which have no proof of being true. This isn't a stupid conspiracy theory thread.

Since I am no expert on the world banks, is it true that most political leaders are backed by the world banks? If so, isn't it kinda pointless to get upset about something that will never change?

Also, I would be interested in seeing some credible articles on ties between the election candidates and the world banks.

Don't ask him, as he'll say yes no matter what. I have not heard of such a thing, and just sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. I think the reason it's always democrats and Republicans getting elected is because that is who the media always focuses on, and the only parties at any debates. People don't get to hear much about what other parties or independents are saying, and people are afraid of the unknown.

[kbf_private_joker]

Because this is where I was born, and it's a pretty good place to live. Plus, you guys don't exactly have small government in the US. But if the New Democratic Party ever gets into power federally, I will probably leave Canada and claim political exile since they are way too socialist for anyone's good

Good point. We haven't exactly been good examples of "small government" the last 8 years. If you do have to claim political exile, California is a wonderful place to live A little expensive, but you can get away with not running both the AC or heater 95% of the year. However, I do plan to visit Canada sometime in my lifetime.

Don't ask him, as he'll say yes no matter what. I have not heard of such a thing, and just sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. I think the reason it's always democrats and Republicans getting elected is because that is who the media always focuses on, and the only parties at any debates. People don't get to hear much about what other parties or independents are saying, and people are afraid of the unknown.

You are probably right about his conspiracy theories. I just didn't want to go there without giving him first a chance to respond. I wonder if he can shed any "light" on the 911 conspiracies or that the NWO runs the world.

[E-Day]

Good point. We haven't exactly been good examples of "small government" the last 8 years. If you do have to claim political exile, California is a wonderful place to live A little expensive, but you can get away with not running both the AC or heater 95% of the year. However, I do plan to visit Canada sometime in my lifetime.

California is too liberal for my liking. Plus the heat. I don't like the heat.

You are probably right about his conspiracy theories. I just didn't want to go there without giving him first a chance to respond. I wonder if he can shed any "light" on the 911 conspiracies or that the NWO runs the world.

Hopefully not. Conspiracy theories, and more so the people who swear they are true, drive me nuts. At least it was proven that their most popular claims about the faked moon landing were very very false. Thanks, Mythbusters!

[meppi]

And I suggest you watch how you speak to people here, MATE.

Seconded.

[kbf_private_joker]

California is too liberal for my liking. Plus the heat. I don't like the heat.

Socially liberal or financially liberal? Shows how much I don't know about Ottawa. Only thing I could find on google was that your property taxes are about 1%, which matches California. How much do you need to make there (before taxes) to live comfortably (meaning owning a house)? Is the housing market tanking there like it is in California (down 40% in last 2 years)? I hope it goes down another 100K so I can get something reasonable

Hopefully not. Conspiracy theories, and more so the people who swear they are true, drive me nuts. At least it was proven that their most popular claims about the faked moon landing were very very false. Thanks, Mythbusters!

Mythbusters has to be one of the coolest shows ever.

[kbf_private_joker]

California is too liberal for my liking. Plus the heat. I don't like the heat.

Hopefully not. Conspiracy theories, and more so the people who swear they are true, drive me nuts. At least it was proven that their most popular claims about the faked moon landing were very very false. Thanks, Mythbusters!

They need to do one on the JFK assassination and prove once and for all it was only Oswald.

[E-Day]

Socially liberal or financially liberal? Shows how much I don't know about Ottawa. Only thing I could find on google was that your property taxes are about 1%, which matches California. How much do you need to make there (before taxes) to live comfortably (meaning owning a house)? Is the housing market tanking there like it is in California (down 40% in last 2 years)? I hope it goes down another 100K so I can get something reasonable

Socially liberal. Which brings financial liberalness along with it.

Ottawa is a mixed bag. The mayor here is fiscally conservative and somewhat socially conservative as well, but most of city council is very liberal, which is a problem. We have problems with roads and infrastructure and things the city absolutely must take care of, but they insist on "funding" the arts with $60 million a year. Housing in Ottawa is expensive. You can't get a simple, run of the mill detached family home for less than $200,000. that's like 3 bedrooms, 1 bathroom, smaller than average house. To live comfortably, it depends on how much debt besides a mortgage you have. My wife has a pretty big student loan, and dishes out about $320/month on it. But we live comfortably. Combined, we make about $85K, with no car and living in a Condo Townhouse, which are much cheaper to buy than a house. You could get by on less if you don't have any major debt apart from the mortgage. The property tax rate here is 1.24% (0.98% for the city and 0.24% for the school board). On a house assessed at $279,000, that would be $3557. It wouldn't be as bad if the city wasn't wasting money on stupid crap constantly. This end of the Ontario is more expensive than the areas west of Toronto for some reason. Maybe because we aren't as close to horrible Toronto as they are