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It's a confusing tag for sure -- I too first thought "ads extracted" meant the mag was without ads. It might read better as "Advertisements From This Scan Have Been Added To Our Advertising Database" but that is a bit hard to fit on a button As for Kit being angry the most angry I have seen them is to just get frustrated and express that frustration in many words. Certainly not hostile or angry. I think it can be off putting to some but for me the difference is, is it someone speaking from their heart without any hesitation or mitigation ... or is it someone who just enjoys being a pain in the ass and calls it "telling it like it is" haha. Kit is definitely just a straight shooter, no chaser, no fluff.

Hey I just wanted to point out that this might be the first civil discussion that has ever existed in the history of the internet and we should be proud of this fact haha

Speculation markets are the f***ing pits. I have similar feelings about Limited Run Games and Analogue. Adding: To what Kit said about a publisher owning the rights to a magazine but do they own the right to benefit from the work of others? Well, let's say I owned a really nice old car but I decided to leave it outside. Kit sees the car and says that's a shame to let it go dirty like that. So he cleans it every week changes the oil etc. I see him do this but let him do it. People come by to marvel at the car. So then I decide to charge people money to see it, and I don't compensate Kit for his work. I think it would be easy for me as the car owner to say well, thanks for the effort, but I don't owe you anything. Now ME as a person, I would definitely have been paying him the entire time for that service and thanking him for it. But legally I would owe him nothing if I chose to be a jerk.

That makes sense, and in the end, with so many local copies, none of this stuff will really ever be lost. Also, I need to remember we are talking about video game magazines and not life-saving EpiPens here, and calm down a bit, haha.

I think I see what you mean. Since these are free to download, it is kind of like when people uploaded these mags to Internet Archive. It is hard for RM, even the actual scanners, to say hey don't do that, because the rights aren't held here, and it was by the grace of these magazine companies to not send C&D legal threats to RM. So to say "Hey don't use these scans for monetary gain" is hard, because whoever owns the right to EGM would have that final say so. So if they saw original scans, it is like hey we didn't yell at RetroMags to take these down, so we feel ok utilizing them for our own project. I guess looking at it from that perspective -- what EGM would gain from using the scans was already paid in the past by not requesting RM to take the mags down, which they easily could have. I do hope though that they credit the scanners. I think that's a reasonable middle ground. I also want to apologize for assuming the compensation; a tiny amount of the people attached to this project (John Riggs for example) are very slippery folks so I thought oh no, not Philly too, haha.

Ok, since you did not answer my main question, it is obvious that they are using the existing RetroMags scans. Will you be financially or otherwise compensated for giving them these scans?

I feel very conflicted about this. I think about the amount of time, money, and effort the scanners and editors here have put into archiving magazines here on RetroMags without any compensation. Phillyman, can you please clarify if they are using RetroMags scans for this project? If they are, and the original scanners are not being compensated, I do not feel comfortable supporting this endeavor. Even if the scanners themselves are ok with not being compensated, I would obviously respect their decision, but for me personally I still feel it is crummy. Also, can we get clarification if this means you foresee taking EGM off of here, and if so, if in the future if someone does a GamePro Kickstarter will it mean removing GamePro from here too, and so on... Addendum: I wanted to add something based on what Kit said up above here. I agree with what Kit said and want to add to this -- so we take down all the EGMs here. They put out the PDFs. And the PDFs aren't as high quality as the scans here. So now in order for a future fella to read EGM, he has to pay for inferior versions of what was previously freely available in better versions? Addendum 2: " It's the first preservation effort of its kind for any video game magazine."

Thank you, E-Day, as always. Out of curiosity, do you happen to have September of 1988 the May 1990 issue of this magazine?